Cubans worry laws will hinder visits to homeland

[Freddy Krueger]

"PL" <***@pandora.be> wrote in message news:vwfzc.155584$***@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
> Posted on Mon, Jun. 14, 2004
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> Cubans worry laws will hinder visits to homeland
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> BY ELAINE DE VALLE
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> Knight Ridder Newspapers
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> MIAMI - (KRT) - Sonia Fandino is in Havana with the 15-year-old son
> she didn't dare put on a raft 10 years ago when she fled Cuba. She has to
> make every moment of this trip count: The next time she sees the boy he
> could be an adult.
>
> Under proposed new restrictions announced by the White House last
> month, Fandino would not be able to return to the island until 2007.
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> Legally, that is.
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> But, like many who visit family still in Cuba, she doubts the new
> rules can be enforced.
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> "I will go however I can," said Fandino, a 54-year-old secretary.
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> "I will swim if I have to."
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> She could go through a third country, such as Jamaica or the Bahamas -
> a loophole used by many Cuban Americans to skirt the current once-a-year
> rule.


That she could. And remember, those restrictions ONLY apply if you use an
AMERICAN passports. Since most Cuban-Americans travel to Cuba on CUBAN passports,
the restrictions DO NOT APPLY to them.
If Cuban-American uses a CUBAN passport to enter and depart Cuba, they are
ONLY subject to CUBAN regulations on travel to Cuba. Cuban passports and ONLY
subject to CUBAN travel regulations. The United States government CANNOT regulate
what may or may not be done with a CUBAN passport.
For example, I am a USA/Australia dual national, and work for Anonymous Demonic
Media, and travel there, as a reporter, several times a year, as part of my
employment. I use my Australian passport to enter/depart Cuba, so my travel is
NOT subject to any US travel restrictions. As long as I dont use a US passport
to enter/depart Cuba I am NOT in violation of any US laws. Also, since I LIVE
in AUSTRALIA, that also makes me NOT SUBJECT TO ANY US TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS.

[malanga]

On 6/15/04 3:32 PM, in article ***@nym.alias.net,
"Freddy Krueger" <***@nym.alias.net> wrote:

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>
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> That she could. And remember, those restrictions ONLY apply if you use an
> AMERICAN passports. Since most Cuban-Americans travel to Cuba on CUBAN
> passports,
> the restrictions DO NOT APPLY to them.


Wrong.

> If Cuban-American uses a CUBAN passport to enter and depart Cuba, they are
> ONLY subject to CUBAN regulations on travel to Cuba. Cuban passports and ONLY
> subject to CUBAN travel regulations. The United States government CANNOT
> regulate
> what may or may not be done with a CUBAN passport.

Wrong.

> For example, I am a USA/Australia dual national, and work for Anonymous
> Demonic
> Media, and travel there, as a reporter, several times a year, as part of my
> employment. I use my Australian passport to enter/depart Cuba, so my travel is
> NOT subject to any US travel restrictions. As long as I dont use a US passport
> to enter/depart Cuba I am NOT in violation of any US laws. Also, since I LIVE
> in AUSTRALIA, that also makes me NOT SUBJECT TO ANY US TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS.
>

Gee...I think you should write a letter to the feds, giving them your
personal info along with details of all your "legal" trips.

[Freddy Krueger]

"malanga" <***@nyame.yu.ca> wrote in message news:BCF4C8F7.38318%***@nyame.yu.ca...
> On 6/15/04 3:32 PM, in article ***@nym.alias.net,
> "Freddy Krueger" <***@nym.alias.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > That she could. And remember, those restrictions ONLY apply if you use an
> > AMERICAN passports. Since most Cuban-Americans travel to Cuba on CUBAN
> > passports,
> > the restrictions DO NOT APPLY to them.
>
>
> Wrong.

No, YOU are wrong. Fidel Castro is LORD AND MASTER of all that goes on in
Cuba. when you use a CUBAN passport, it what FIDEL says that goes, and NOT the
United States government. When you use a Cuban passport, your travel is ONLY
subject to what FIDEL dicates, AND NOTHING ELSE!!!

>
> > If Cuban-American uses a CUBAN passport to enter and depart Cuba, they are
> > ONLY subject to CUBAN regulations on travel to Cuba. Cuban passports and ONLY
> > subject to CUBAN travel regulations. The United States government CANNOT
> > regulate
> > what may or may not be done with a CUBAN passport.
>
> Wrong.

The USA governement, however, cannot keep Cuba from issusing Cuban passports
to anyone it considers its citizens. So it is only logical that the US cannot
tell anyone what they can or cannot do with a Cuban passport.

>
> > For example, I am a USA/Australia dual national, and work for Anonymous
> > Demonic
> > Media, and travel there, as a reporter, several times a year, as part of my
> > employment. I use my Australian passport to enter/depart Cuba, so my travel is
> > NOT subject to any US travel restrictions. As long as I dont use a US passport
> > to enter/depart Cuba I am NOT in violation of any US laws. Also, since I LIVE
> > in AUSTRALIA, that also makes me NOT SUBJECT TO ANY US TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS.
> >
>
> Gee...I think you should write a letter to the feds, giving them your
> personal info along with details of all your "legal" trips.
>

I know of many cases of duals between the USA, and other countries, that have
gone to Cuba without problems. I cover figure skating, and I know of at least
one figure skater with a fiancee in Cuba, who is a dual national, and she uses
her OTHER passport to enter/depart Cuba, and gets away with it. She just simply
leaves Cuba OFF her Customs form when she returns to the United States, and
Customs is NEVER the wiser. Because she is using a passport other than a USA
one to enter Cuba, she does have have to report that when she returns to the
USA.
There is one TV reporter out there, who is a USA/Irish dual national, and
met a guy from England, in Cuba. She used her Irish passport to enter and
depart Cuba, and then used her USA one to return to the United States, and
Customs was never the wiser when the re-entered the USA at Kennedy Int'l
Airport. I chatted with her once in a chatroom, and she really did do this. She
just travelled down to Cuba to meet this guy. Also, when she goes down there on
assignment, she is under orders from her boss to leave Cuba OFF her Customs form
when she returns to the USA. They dont want to deal with the paperwork of having
to apply for permission to travel to Cuba, so they send dual nationals down
there. They are under orders to use their other passport, and then leave it OFF
their Customs forms when they re-enter the USA. I will not say WHICH network
this is, but it is their policy of sending dual nationals for any stories in
Cuba, and then giving them STRICT ORDERS to leave Cuba OFF their Customs forms
when they re-enter the USA.

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[malanga]

On 6/15/04 7:37 PM, in article ***@nym.alias.net,
"Freddy Krueger" <***@nym.alias.net> wrote:

> No, YOU are wrong. Fidel Castro is LORD AND MASTER of all that goes on in
> Cuba. when you use a CUBAN passport, it what FIDEL says that goes, and NOT the
> United States government. When you use a Cuban passport, your travel is ONLY
> subject to what FIDEL dicates, AND NOTHING ELSE!!!
>

Sure...'cept...see....when one comes back to the US, where one is a citizen
or resident, where one is not subject to Fidel, well then....do let us know
when you're gonna write Treasury and tell them your name, address, and
provide them with details on how you traveled to Cuba w/o a permit, in
violation of US law.

And make sure you tell them Fidel said it was OK...the chaps, I'm sure can
use a good laugh.